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ГАУ, Яковлев - тут нам из НИИ-6 подогнали гранатомет, так вот: КГ/АМ.
НКБ, Ванников - сами вы это самое, а гранатомет у нас рулезный.
ГОКО, Берия - Блин, да договоритесь вы уже между собой, задолбали!

Date: 2013-11-06 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eugene-df.livejournal.com
А что за гранатомет, если не секрет?

Date: 2013-11-06 12:59 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-11-06 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eugene-df.livejournal.com
Интересно, а почему, действительно, не скопировали базуку или офенрор? У нас же серийный РПГ-2 только с 47-го года в войска пошел. А ведь с фаустами и прочими неведомыми зверушками мы сталкивались еще во время войны многократно...

Date: 2013-11-06 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eugene-df.livejournal.com
Угу. Тяжелые танки - шмогла. Далеко не худшие шамолеты - шмогла. Лучший пистолет-пулемет той войны и лучшую артиллерию той войны (во всяком случае в калибрах до 76 мм и от 200) - шмогла.

А банально скопировать тот же офенрор - никак.

Удивительное рядом...

Date: 2013-11-06 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zlobnytroll111.livejournal.com
А банально скопировать тот же офенрор - никак.

А он может нах не нужен был. Танков у фрицев мало стало и ты ды. Когда встал вопрос чем остановить орды бывших союзников в случае чего быстро слабали РПГ-2.

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From: [identity profile] kris-reid.livejournal.com
У вас в голове немного набор мифов :)

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Date: 2013-11-06 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] alll
Ну видимо для работничков, которые по сей день мушку выставляют в нужную позицию ударом молотка, технология производства базуки оказалась хлипковата, не АК чай.

Date: 2013-11-06 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zlobnytroll111.livejournal.com
Вообще-то мушка в АК выставляется по вертикали поворотом, а по горизонту мушководом. Как её выставлять молотком я не представляю. Так что не надо звиздеть.
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Склонен счесть данное высказывание некоторым передергиванием. У нас хайтек по тем временам - вполне себе производился. Причем, собственно, шайтан-труба, таким уж прямо адским хайтеком - не была.

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Date: 2013-11-06 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zlobnytroll111.livejournal.com
А ведь с фаустами и прочими неведомыми зверушками мы сталкивались еще во время войны многократно...

Толку от тех зверушек)))) На каждый советский танк сделали по 50 фаустов и по 2 панцершрека))))

Date: 2013-11-06 01:31 pm (UTC)
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Ну, если мне память не изменяет, то в той же Битве за Берлин мы потеряли под 70% бронетехники как раз молитвами всевозможных гранатометчиков...

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Date: 2013-11-06 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gloire-bb.livejournal.com
Толку много.
Одна пехота могла себя мало-мальски защитить от БТТ, другая - практически нет.

Date: 2013-11-06 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midnike.livejournal.com
А джапы ведь как-то смогли к 44-му свой 7-cм обр. 4 сварганить. Причём как всегда пошли своим особым джапским путём и сделали гранату со стабилизацией наклоном сопел :)

Date: 2013-11-06 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kris-reid.livejournal.com
А как у него с кучностью и технологичностью? :)

Date: 2013-11-06 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midnike.livejournal.com
С кучностью -- хрен его знает, везде пишут, что на прямой дальности (~100 м) вероятность попадания порядка 60%. Начальная скорость 160 м/с. Да и пробиваемость слабая (80 мм), так что сразу же начали 9-см разрабатывать, но те вообще в серию не успели. Их всего-то тысячи 3 нашлёпали (самих 7 -см труб), в боевых действиях их толком и не применяли.

А насчёт технологичности как-раз всё нормально было, мне кажется. Граната была просто уменьшенной копией их стандартного 20-см реактивного снаряда, но уже с кумулятивной, а не ОФ БЧ. Так что применили уже отработаные технологии. Даже со взрывателями не стали мудрить и поставили старые тупые и надёжные, что у них на 5 и 8-см миномётных минах стояли. Никакого тебе электрического зажигания опять же.

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Date: 2013-11-06 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zlobnytroll111.livejournal.com
Я когда в музее Южно-Сахалинска узрел их пт-ружье с большим интересом задумался о двух вопросах:
а) как они енто тягали?
б) каково было стрелять очередями?

Date: 2013-11-06 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midnike.livejournal.com
Во-первых, оно было разборным, на два узла. А в сборе у него крепились чётыри ручки, как у носилок. Вес пустого 50 кг без щитка -- вчетвером вполне подъёмно. Был и колёсный станок.



А очередями -- хреново, конечно :) Хотя там и был подпружиненный откат ствола с коробкой, и дульный тормоз, но всё равно... Хотя там же длинных очередей точно не было :) магазин на 7 снарядов. В общем, ключицы периодически ломали, я так подозреваю.

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Date: 2013-11-07 06:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eugene-df.livejournal.com
Так у нас вроде на РПГ-7 именно так и стабилизируется граната в полете. Наклоном сопел. Причем везде подается как наше особое ноухау.

А оказывается - жабы опередили. Одно расстройство от вас! :-(

Date: 2013-11-07 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midnike.livejournal.com
На РПГ-7 нет наклона сопел реактивного двигателя. Там вращение за счёт специальной турбинки в хвостовике (ну и за счёт скосов на концах стабилизаторов).

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Date: 2013-11-06 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mat33.livejournal.com
"Берия - Блин, да договоритесь вы уже между собой, задолбали!"

Товарищ Гитлера - Как же вы мне все, дураки, надоели!

(с) Дивов

Date: 2013-11-07 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pluchevy-tiger.livejournal.com
Н-да. По итогу обсуждения вывод такой - все советское оружие гавно, если бы не амеркаснкий порох, гореть СССР в Аду, немцы воевали одни, а ССССР нет.

Date: 2013-11-07 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kris-reid.livejournal.com
Если у вас проблемы с чтением, рекомендую начинать с букваря.

Date: 2013-11-07 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pluchevy-tiger.livejournal.com
Я где-то пропустил упоминание о том, что у Германии были союзники? Или где-то было написано что хоть какой-то танк, стрелковое оружие или самолет были лучше немецких, американских, бритских и т.д.? Или здесь нигде не упоминаются поставки пороха?

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